It was ~$3k/semester for a private room, 10 meals/week, plus social events. Start by signing the petition. i definitely see your reasoning for abolishing greek life, but if we do abolish all, where do we draw the line of what we are removing from campus? With the recent email that was sent out regarding COVID rates surging because of frat parties, what are your opinions on whether or not we should abolish Greek life? Our house was as diverse as Cal overall. After the death of Timothy Piazza, once again the history of fraternities must remind college administrators that Greek life causes deaths Projects. If you look outside you’ll also see it’s not just them, that half of IV is still partying, and getting rid of frats won’t stop that. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.361933014be843c79476.css.map*/I also really feel for some of the AC Transit drivers. Abolish Greek Life. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Nationwide calls to abolish Greek life are focused on the Interfraternity Council, with 25 men's fraternities and two co-ed fraternities at Penn, and the Panhellenic Council which is composed of eight women’s sororities at Penn. Fraternities and sororities are built on systems of exclusion, oppression, and violence. I know I started this thread as a criticism of the COVID parties going on, but it’s important to note that there’s a deep rooted issue here. I get that it’s mostly white people, but I think that’s a bit condescending or disregarding of non white people in Greek Life that enjoy it. I do think that the university could be stricter with regulating them (exactly how I don’t know), especially at a time like this. Has anyone else’s school have an abolish Greek life movement going on? In recent months, movements to abolish Greek Life organizations on college campuses have sprung up across the country. These three frat guys kept pushing on it from behind and laughing. Well, graduated this semester so I’m an alumni but I digress. News, questions, and discussions for the people of UCSB and IV. I'm just a Berkeley citizen, who's lived here for most of my life. it should def be a case by case basis and of course any frat that's been endangering the community should be punished. How bout the 50 houses on dp partying every weekend? I could write a book on this matter chock-full of personal experiences but just writing this post is giving me a headache. I learned more as president of my fraternity than I did in any of my coursework at Berkeley and many of those guys are still my best friends to this day. Press J to jump to the feed. With that being said, even if they aren’t associated with the school, you could still have organized fraternities. The Abolish Greek life movement that has been sweeping across the country has made its way to Tech. It will be a test for Greek life and the Abolish Greek Life movement alike. After Floyd’s killing in police custody and … At least say 'suspend' greek life cuz of covid rather than just abolish. Leave the students to fraternize as they see fit. I've drove down DP on a weekend night, and it seems like it's more of an IV issue than a greek life issue, which is only 10% of the school, and an even smaller percentage of IV. Login; ... abolish greek life by: agl Nov 28, 2020 11:13:15 AM. what about the aspiring physicians or lawyers in the pre-professional co ed frats that benefit from the resources these orgs provide? Read More. There is an increasing call from former members of college fraternities and sororities to “Abolish Greek Life” (AGL). At one point my GF at the time (who was a UC student then) and I were walking past one of the frat houses, holding hands, and got jeered at, screamed at to kiss, etc., because lesbians omg. I’m not in Greek but dude 0 UCSB students have been reported dead or seriously hospitalized due to reasons pertaining to covid. or even the multicultural greek orgs? We must abolish it,” states a Change.org petition created by the Abolish Greek Life movement, which is made up largely of former fraternity and sorority members who have left their organizations in protest of what they say is the toxic and bigoted nature of historically White fraternities and sororities (HWFS). But, as a "civilian" so to speak, I can attest to the fact that they're a general nuisance. Please take what I have said into consideration. Students at Vanderbilt University are dropping out of their Greek organizations by the hundreds and demanding chapters disaffiliate from their national offices. Thank you for speaking out for Greek Life. Let’s be honest, frats thrive off of their exclusivity. That isn’t to say that there isn’t a lot of work that needs to still be done, but I do believe that the dismissal of all feats like this isn’t a good thing. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. IV now has about 50 tents of unhoused folk in it parks... don't see the rules being followed at those. A subreddit for the community of UC Berkeley as well as the surrounding City of Berkeley, California. It’s telling that everyone that agrees with you isn’t in a frat or sorority... they don’t see the real benefits. Season 1, Episode 7 - Abolish Greek Life and the History of White Fraternities Andrea Skarbecki August 11, 2020 fraternity , sorority , race , Greek Life Comment Facebook 0 Twitter LinkedIn 0 Reddit Tumblr 0 Likes And above all, they thrive off of this toxic brotherhood culture, where many have fallen victim to rape coverups and denial. I'm not even part of a frat but using the select few worst examples and extrapolating that to the whole group of frats is pure ignorance. Don't forget that they're putting us, the non-student population of Berkeley, at risk here too by partying and spreading Coronavirus. But IV has the same issue, at a smaller rate. My guess is that it would probably be more likely for their national organization to take away their charter so maybe just a lot of snitching when they party but there has to be a less tedious way. It's past time to abolish Greek life. Press J to jump to the feed. where do the pre professional greek organizations come into play with this though, out of curiosity? Uh oh, watch out Thad and Chad. If you want us to discredit your argument without arrogance why are you arguing with arrogance. also why is this comment controversial lol. The system is broken. Any body is what the members make of it. I know my message was somewhat aggressive but this is the result of witnessing constant abuse. Back. not to mention that 20 people at a random house party on DP (which is still bad) aren't collectively contributing to and benefiting from a racist, classist, outdated and ORGANIZED system. (the rest of this petition currently refers to frats only, but we are currently updating it to address sororities too!) This sounds a lot like my experience 15-20 years ago at Cal. I used to dread having to go anywhere near the frat houses. Frats bois aren’t partying because they’re in frats, they’re in frats because they wanna party. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts 5/14/18 6:21 pm. Welcome! You hit the triple whammy by judging them for their race, body and “wealth”. We are college students, alumni, and activists who reject the continuation of fraternity and sorority life. You act like there aren’t older people that live in IV who are at risk because students won’t stop partying. IFC and Panhellenic are historically racist orgs that perpetuate systemic oppression of minorities, as they aren't as accessible to minorities. EDIT: After reading some comments, I should clarify I mean social orgs such as IFC and Panhellenic. About. Disagree. The best thing to do right now is to keep calm and reduce your risk by not getting close to anyone who likes to drink alcohol in a group. You must be one of those “respect me and my choices, but I have no respect for you or yours” types. When I got divorced, my brothers were my support system. it doesn't negate what greek life is doing. Press J to jump to the feed. (pre professional orgs are MUCH more inclusive and understanding from what i've seen and I see nothing wrong with benefiting because of academic merit). The movement argues that Greek life is exclusionary, racist and misogynist, and structurally resistant to important reforms due to the hierarchical nature of national Greek organizations. literally what the title says. The only reason people join greek life is because they can't move on from high school and don't give me that philanthropy and academics bullshit. Not to endorse OP or anything, but you guys need to figure out better ways to make your point. They're causing us more harm than good considering most of the parties happening and COVID cases are within greek life. Once, I was walking with my instrument (pulling it behind me on wheels) for a gig near the International House. When I was in the hospital a few years back, my frat bros came to my bedside. i agree the greek system is massively fucked up but just bc a few frats and sororities are being dumb doesn't mean everyone associated w a frat (particularly pre-prof and multicultural frats) should get backlash as well. Not to mention the rampant racism, classism, and sexual harassment allegations that come from there. View Entire Discussion (149 Comments) By Steve Connelly . If you aren't aware, multiple houses have already faced serious sanctions for it and if there's proof/pictures the respective greek councils look into it. Multicultural orgs are iffy because hazing within them is a whole different (dangerous and harmful) issue but it's a conversation for a different day. At least say 'suspend' greek life cuz of covid rather than just abolish. News Read Me Take Action Open Menu Close Menu. This is how I feel as well. Abolish NU IFC/PHA Greek Life has 297 photos and videos on their Instagram profile. IV has quite a few essential workers, in big families where big gatherings are both a joy and a necessity for survival in our rich/poor economy here. The Piazza family has been pushing for aggressive reform and pinpoints that as the key to success in changing Greek culture and avoiding another national tragedy. There's tons of parties in IV, it's an issue with the students as a whole and the local government for not shutting parties down. Go outside, smell some fresh air, get some sun, and lighten your mood. Harvard tried and failed: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/06/30/harvard-rescinds-policy-against-fraternities-sororities-other-single-gender-organizations/, pre-professional frats aren't allowed to have anything in person at all. For a better tomorrow, we must #AbolishGreekLife. Abolish Greek Life. Cookies help us deliver our Services. News Read Me Take Action Open Menu Close Menu. Contact. They thrive off of discrimination. Folder: About. 2,733 Followers, 112 Following, 258 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Abolish Richmond Greek Life (@abolishrichmondgreeklife) Thread locked for brigading from (primarily) r/frat. The councils have about 1,400 members each. and a low 3.0 average after having literal test banks and answer keys isn't that impressive either, please find a new hobby. One is not easier or harder than the other, they are just different and require different aptitudes or skills to do well. We must abolish it. Inspired by the Abolish Greek life Movement at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee, which has received national attention, students at Tech have now formed their own coalition on the matter.. Focus inward, not outward. At Northwestern, the Greek system is the absolute authority on social life. More specifically, students at colleges like Vanderbilt, Northwestern, North Carolina, and others are requesting the abolition of all historically-white fraternities and sororities. IFC chapter presidents and the administrators in the CSI will likely discuss calls to abolish Greek Life in a meeting on July 13, according to Corsiglia’s email. You can’t stop groups of people from forming clubs, especially off campus. What We Do. Chapters. Cookies help us deliver our Services. I've been a regular rider on a lot of campus-adjacent lines, and while most drivers express a sense of general exasperation with all UCB students if you chat with them, they really dislike how the frat kids get come eveningtime and later. By Noor Fakih on October 27, 2020. Redditors not having a clue about Greek life. I’m proud to say that I could be openly out in my frat, with both my sexuality and the fact I’m non-binary. The only reason people join greek life is because they can't move on from high school and don't give me that philanthropy and academics bullshit. To start, let's do a simple thought experiment and imagine a world in which fraternities were not a part of higher educat Due to Greek life’s considerable presence on our campus, the University could hardly stave off such a movement long. You don't need to funnel your donation money through your organization so they get a tax break, just donate it yourself. The only part of your argument I have a problem with is “a low 3.0 in humanities”.... idk I feel like this statement was unnecessary, it puts down student’s accomplishments and major/passions regardless of whether they’re involved in Greek life or not... has a very god-complex tone to me. Color me surprised. Abolish Greek Life. In an email to The Collegian on July 9, IFC president Peter Corsiglia wrote that he cannot comment on the calls to abolish Greek Life at UR. i know of one panhellenic sorority who completely shut down their house this year because they didn't want to endanger anyone by making their girls live in, which i think was a good move on their part. I’ve always been anti-Greek life. "other people are partying too" yes and? You’ve clearly been bottled up at home since March. It would not surprise me if I get downvoted for this. You don't need to funnel your donation money through your organization so they get a tax break, just donate it yourself. What We Do. should chapters like the one i mentioned and the few others that have been monitoring covid be punished for reckless behavior of other chapters? because they are technically part of greek life but they don't have houses and have gone entirely virtual amidst covid so when you say abolish greek life, is it only the frats and sororities part of ifc and npc? If Greek life is truly about connecting with other people than the drinking and the partying don’t and shouldn’t be a regular thing. More posts from the UCSantaBarbara community. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. If they repeat, suspend them. r/UCSantaBarbara is back to abolish Greek life for the tenth time this year. I'm not a UC student. But it is noticeable that no other parks on the whole South Coast have permanent tent encampments. But things are changing and becoming better in the Greek Life system. Many frats and sororities give a place for a lot of ppl to meet friends, bond, and do dope shit. I have enormous sympathy for unhoused folk in today's mess, and IV is kind and generous in many ways... the Pescadero Lofts, outreach through various programs, including the religious institutions in IV, which I support and volunteer at. What We Do Chapters Current Page: Projects Contact News Read Me Take Action Projects. Does anyone have any ideas on how feasible it would be to actually have Greek life removed from UCSB? Plus I seriously doubt "most" of the parties are coming from greek life, greek life is just the only group that is getting held accountable. If you’re going to try and discredit my argument, please do so without arrogance. Back. Focusing on the Greek houses seems to me to divert needed energy from other needs. Calls for restructuring White Greek life are not new, but cries to abolish them have sharpened in recent months. It’s not just Greek life my dude. The type of students that throw parties go here or cc, abolishing greek life wouldn't make those types of people stop throwing parties. Who cares about frats? I dont have any love for greek life but a lot of the arguments against it reek of sour grapes. and a low 3.0 average after having literal test banks and answer keys isn't that impressive either, please find a new hobby. Chapters [10]: Chapman University (@abolishgreeklifechapman) Denison University (@abolishdukeifcandpanhellenic) Duke University (@du_abolishgreek) Emory University (@abolishemorygreeklife) University of Richmond (@abolishrichmondgreeklife) There are hundreds of parties going in iv which include those who are CC kids and UC kids who are not in Greek life. Then, send us your story. i just don't think that's fair. @abolish_greeklife on Instagram | greeklifeabolition@gmail.com. If these Greek houses violated County guidelines, cite them. How tf r u gonna generalize all frats like this. Not to mention, there’s still research being done on the long term effects of covid, so we don’t even know what kind of health problems people could experience down the road. The more you try to control others, the more you will suffer. There were some rich, white dudes, but people came from all over and we worked on payment plans for brothers that had hit hard times. Folder: About. Vanderbilt’s Greek rush process, in which potential new members are sorted into fraternities and sororities, will conclude at the beginning of the upcoming spring semester. The same stuff would happen if you "abolished" greek life, they would just be underground like they used to be. This thread has been locked by the moderators of r/berkeley. New Hope in Old Appalachia It all begins with an idea. Nobodies keeping you up night (and if they are knock on their door, and if it persists call the cops), the pandemic is staying regardless, and quite frankly you just sound like you don’t like Greek life because they annoy you. But abolishing them looks to me like collective punishment, and hasn't the world and the US (in violation of its founding principles) done enough of that in history? Yup, and greek life is sanctioning houses if there is proof, last I heard students who throw parties aren't facing any consequences. Our Mission To dismantle the fraternity and sorority system on every campus, expelling the exclusivity, discrimination, and violence Greek Life brings with it. About. When the orgs are predominantly white and only take white girls (no matter how hard they claim diversity aka a phi and pi phi you're not fooling anyone) the "opportunities" and "networking" y'all claim is limited to white folks. We cannot adequately reform Greek life. Jim Piazza Not Pushing To Abolish Greek Life, Seeks Nationwide Reform. The culture of sexual assault and the emphasis on conforming to fit into this system was unappealing to me from the start, but recently, as the Abolish Greek Life … By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. There is a lot of good work to do here in IV, helping our unhoused and essential workers be safer too, in a kind and generous way. when we think of greek life, we might automatically think of these reckless frat boys and sorority girls who are partying, but it is much bigger than that so do we get rid of them all or do we find a way to remove only the problematic chapters? I understand the greek orgs they want to ban are the ‘white’ ones, and not the ‘black’ ones, but it irks me when people call them the white ones. As a member of another fraternity here on campus, it's nice to see our voices heard. Efforts to abolish Greek life are not new. 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